A dialog between Kenn Orfanos and Phil Rockstroh

Kenn: Phil, I see you have been under a deluge of hate and mockery from online Zionists after a few of your pieces on the genocide in Gaza. What do you think is behind such a reaction? I am suspecting that there is a real fear amongst these groups that they are losing control of the narrative and are getting desperate. What are your thoughts?

Phil: My recent Facebook post on the subject did provoke a thousand-plus invasion of highly agitated Zionist trolls. They made the desert bloom with seething hate.

By the evidence, your insight regarding Israeli propagandist’s fumbling of the narrative is dead-on accurate. To wit, after, for example, witnessing the uniformed thugs of the IDF live-streaming their war crimes it was inevitable that large segments of the people of the world were going to grow incredulous to Israeli hasbara.

AI generated definition of the term hasbara: Hasbara is a Hebrew word that means “explanation” and is used to describe the Israeli government’s public diplomacy and public relations efforts to shape international opinion about the state of Israel.

How is it possible for Zionist propagandists to believe that ever proliferating images of bombed out hospitals, murdered doctors, medical personnel, aid workers, journalists, as well as entire families blown to bits in their homes could be explained away as acts of self-defense in behalf of little David Israeli facing down the looming Palestinian Goliath threatening a new, impending Holocaust?

Zionist apologists were, per always, playing victim as, all the while, Israeli government leaders and rabbis were, in full-throated fury, summing up the Old Testament, blood-crazed spirit of Amalek.

“When the Lord your God gives you rest from all the enemies around you in the land he is giving you to possess as an inheritance, you shall blot out the name of Amalek from under heaven. Do not forget!” — Deuteronomy 25: 19

Hence, Zionist true believers found themselves in the (impossible) position of attempting to term their massive war crimes (to the point of a genocidal rampage) as being acts of national preservation. When, as time passed, it became apparent that what was retailed as a war against terrorist aggression was, in fact, a new facet of Zionist land theft i.e., the Israeli version — cue cringe-inducing irony — of Third Reich era Germany’s concept of Lebensraum.

My night terrors include the thought: How are we Jews going to survive the self-destructive conflation of Judaism and Zionism as weaponized by the Zionist ethno-supremacist state and their confabulation-prone apologists? As noted, the Zionist state’s version of Lebenstraun.

Lebensraum (noun): The (coveted) territory a nation state believes is needed for its natural development and crucial to national notion of self-determination e.g., God, in the Zionist worldview, has ordained that the Biblical era lands of Judea and Samaria are the birthright of the Zionist settler-colonialists.

Yet archaeological evidence and medical science confirm the following: The Jews of the ancient Levant closest ancestors are the Palestinian people.

My DNA reports my ancestors were of German, French, Dutch and Spanish (the latter via the 1492 Jewish expulsion during the Spanish Inquisition) origin. I also harbor 4% lineage from Northern Iraq/Iran. Thus the claim is risible that the so-called Promised Land was promised to me.

Among the hasbara fairytales believed and parroted, we diaspora Jews returned to our ancestral homeland and “made the desert bloom.” In reality, we have drenched the soil with the blood of the rightful inhabitants of the land and rendered our collective mindscape into a wasteland ridden with a soul-defying architecture constructed of casuistry and false, noxious mythos.

The world has looked on and asked, isn’t the Zionist worldview somewhat on the Nazi-adjacent side of the political/societal spectrum?

Your thoughts on the matter, Kenn?

Kenn: I think that the parallels of Zionism to Nazism are so striking, that it is staggeringly difficult for most people to comprehend. For 80+ years, Zionist propaganda proliferated with the assistance of the West, primarily the American Empire. So many crimes and atrocities were whitewashed by the Western press and politicians, that the public at large simply did not know the scale and, up until recently, remained ignorant of Israeli barbarism.

Education around the Holocaust played a large part in this. It began the project of conflating Zionism, a political ideology, with Judaism. Thus, the only safe place for Jews following the Shoah was in historic Palestine. The Indigenous population had to be removed, demonized and erased, both literally and figuratively. Israel’s so-called founding father, David Ben-Gurion, said that “the old will die and the young will forget.” This was the hope of many early Zionists who deluded themselves into thinking that the Indigenous people would simply move on and accept their displacement. They ingested these lies based on their Western colonial counterparts, who viewed the Indigenous populations they ethnically cleansed or tried to exterminate as imbeciles who could be manipulated into forgetting their own history.

Portrayals of the so-called “Indian War” that are an analog of Zionist propaganda involving Islamic terrorists

Now, we see this kind of major disconnect from reality among Zionists, who are largely older, white Americans. These are the ones who were the most propagandized. They saw what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe (as well as countless other groups), but they did not take away some universalist message of solidarity. The slogan “never again” was uniquely applied to Jews. The mere inference that others could suffer from similar atrocities was taken as offensive and absurd. And this is of course racism.

What I found interesting about the reaction to your posts was this narrative of the “self-hating Jew.” And it reminded me of how early Zionism utterly loathed Jews who appeared weak or ill. Israel turned away thousands of Jews from Eastern Europe who did not fit the new Jew mythos. Ironically, this new mythos bore a striking resemblance to the Aryan archetype of the perfect man and woman. A fascistic portrayal of the human being.

Phil: Kenn, you apprehended a (tragic) truth regarding the misapprehension of the nature of strength. Wilhelm Reich, who fled Nazi Germany due to his grasp of the dangers of fascism, explored the nature of the pathology he termed “narcissistic armouring.” In short, a chronic rigidity of thought manifested in both psyche and body resultant from the psyche being overwhelmed by the trauma inherent to the excesses of authoritarianism.

A lack of empathy and a tendency towards excessive rage when threats, real or imagined, are extant are defining traits of the pathological condition. To wit, we can consider that the Zionist state suffers — and causes all within its reach to suffer — due to a collective form of narcissistic armouring. In the mindset of those thus armoured, on an emotional basis, signs of weakness are viewed with disdain yet any sign of strength, even in a defensive posture, of those considered adversarial in nature, is viewed as an existential threat that must be annihilated. I suspect this explains the odious mindset of pro-Zionist — and authoritarianism-rancid rightwing — social media trolls.

Then there is this regarding the phenomenon of collective forms of narcissistic armouring, on a nation building basis: Israel was founded by campaigns of ethnic cleansing and, as the world has witnessed because of its massive war crimes in Gaza, is prone to genocidal rampages. Therefore, as hideous as it sounds when spoken aloud, unnervingly large segments of the Israeli citizenry regard even Palestinian infants as future terrorists and act as apologists for their massive extermination. A mindset, once again, analogous to the actions of Third Reich era Germany where Jews were viewed as genetically inferior to their Aryan race betters but were seen as a dangerous presence, fatal to the common good, that must be first expelled, then isolated, then exterminated.

Below the surface of Israel’s self-justifying lies, the nation’s Ashkenazi elites sense the unsustainable nature of the Zionist project: they are heading for the exits in droves while hyper-authoritarian religious zealots go full-force Brownshirt in the West Bank. Israelis might embrace the mythos that they have trudged through the desert and arrived in the Promised Land. But by means of the narcissistic armouring they manifest — they have become Pharaoh’s army.

Kenn: The idea of narcissistic armouring explains so much regarding Zionism’s constant reframing and battle. One of the ways it manifests is this notion of Israeli food. Of course, this is ridiculous. There is no Israeli food. There is appropriated food from various nations and ethnic groups in the region, but it is all stolen and rebranded.

And it is fascinating to me to see this real time dissolution of the original Zionist project into a kind of a hyper-religious form. As you mentioned, thousands of Israelis of Ashkenazi descent are fleeing Israel. They have been buying up property in Cyprus, Thailand, Portugal and elsewhere. These are the descendants of the secular Zionists who manufactured a kind of quasi-socialist utopia for Jews in historic Palestine. Of course, the only way to realize this dream was to erase the original inhabitants and invent a story of origin for themselves, even though we know from a variety of historians that this is a complete farce. But where is this “connection” to the land that they insisted they possessed? Where is the promised safety for Jews in Israel if they are leaving en masse?

In “The Invention of the Jewish People,” Schlomo Sand dismantles the Zionist mythology of a common people. Many of the Jews we see in Europe have absolutely no origin in Palestine, but are the descendants of converts to the faith early on, well before Christian authorities outlawed such proselytization. Even David Ben-Gurion believed that the Palestinians were the direct descendants of ancient Jews who had remained in the land after the Roman expulsions and converted to Islam over the centuries. This was, of course, very problematic for the European Jews who had no real connection to the Levant outside of religious mythology.

But it is interesting to me that so many Zionists feel it is imperative to erase the Palestinians simply on the basis that they do not possess a “nation.” This was exactly what has been done to Jews for thousands of years. Nationalism itself is a relatively new idea, only seen in recent centuries of human history and emerging in Europe. Imposed on the world via colonialism. So, to think that nationhood is the pinnacle of a people’s existence is rather trite and silly. But the racism is thick in this too. Imagine saying that there was no such thing as the French or the Spanish or the Czechs, because they are all just Europeans. In this same way, they are saying there is no such thing as Syrians or Egyptians or Lebanese because they are all just Arabs.

It is a feat of enormous delusion that so many Zionists think they will succeed in erasing the Palestinians. The first time we see the term Palestine is in The Histories by the Greek historian Herodotus in the 5th century BCE. He mentions it as a district of Syria. And I was recently reading a book on Pompeii and found it fascinating to discover that the ancient city that was buried under molten ash had traded with Palestine. So, it is rather odd that these modern day Zionists try so hard to erase Palestine from the historical record. It is an impossible task for them, yet they persist in trying.

But this is what colonialism is in a nutshell. The Europeans did it in the Americas, Africa, Asia and beyond. Razing Indigenous temples and cities and erecting cathedrals on their foundations. Erasure of a people is nothing new. It is the lynchpin of all colonial projects. And much of this is psychological warfare. Constantly harping on about this obviously false notion that Palestine never existed or that there is no such thing as the Palestinians is meant to demoralize or mock people, especially ones that are being ethnically cleansed or genocided like the Palestinians.

The Nakba, then and now

Israel is falling apart. Mental health in the country is spiraling downward and thousands are weighing their options for getting out. And when they leave, what will become of the state when you only have rabid extremists and religious nutcases rampaging in the occupied territories? Do you see this as the beginning of the end for the Zionist project and if so, what is the future of Jews and Judaism in the wake of Zionism’s brutality and lies?

Religious zealot land thieves, under the protection of IDF uniformed thugs (i.e., de facto Brownshirts) perpetrating the Zionist form of Lebensraum

Phil: Years of participation and complicity in ethnic cleansing, perpetual aggression directed at their neighbors, and the Gaza genocide is inflicting a psychological toll on the citizenry of Israel.

“Israel is experiencing what experts describe as a severe “mental health tsunami,” with around two million people in need of psychological assistance as addiction rates climb and social cohesion weakens,” according to the news outlet Yedioth Ahronoth.

But don’t expect a reckoning of national conscience to take hold in the Zionist ethno-supremacist state. On an historical basis, in regard to modern nation states, a form of collective psychological affliction causes the populace to seek psychical remedy in the palliatives administered by authoritarian demagogues e.g., in the case of Israel, rightwing/religious death cult leaders such as Ben-Gvir and Bezalel Smotrich.

Political and religious zealot demagogues are adept black magicians in the art of displaced resentment and the psychological projection of the collective dark side of a culture unto the alien other and treasonous underminers in their midst.

In short, events will careen towards calamity. The process of cultural/national truth-resonant reckoning does not unfold, if ever, until a collective bottom is hit.

Hence, Zionism is manifested as a psychotic episode, including evincing homicidal impulsiveness, in the form of a nation. Of course, the pathological proclivity has existed since Israel’s inception but now the affliction has lapsed into a state of exponential runaway.

The Zionist leadership has become, as is a general rule with leaders of authoritarian states, inmates in an asylum for the criminally insane — who now run the asylum.

As a result, the general population is suffering a collective nervous breakdown.

Carl Jung diagnosed the root cause of their pathology: “The foundation of all mental illness is the unwillingness to experience legitimate suffering.”

In short, the Zionist state’s path to recovery would be the recognition of the internal carnage they inflict on their own souls due to the suffering they perpetrate on all within range of their blood-drenched belligerence.

“None of us are free until Palestine is free.”

That is the declaration provoked a troll swarm to descend upon my comment section, raging, in essence, “genocide=freedom.”

A Third Reich-adjacent reaction, wouldn’t you say?

Hint: The 1000 Year Reich lasted 12 years.

My mother, her father arrested by the Gestapo and imprisoned in Sachsenhausen concentration camp, escaped Nazi Germany by Kindertransport. She lived until 92 years of age. Her very life is a testament to the deathscape of ash and dust that is the fate of genocidal nations.

Israel is coming apart at the seams, both on a cultural and political basis. The Ashkenazi elite are headed for the exits as the religious zealot settler class are inflamed with the death-besotted mythos of Amalek.

History reveals, nations that beat their plowshares into weapons to wage genocide hasten their mortal return to inevitable dust.

Pictured my (Phil Rochstroh) mother, Erica Meyer and her older sister, Gisela, both Children of The Kindertransport that delivered Jewish children into the homes of strangers in the U.K.

By Kenn Orfanos and Phil Rochstroh